Is this intended as satire? Maybe you have a brilliant career ahead of you in that.
"the only reason there was manufacturing in America in the first place is America was importing all the raw materials, but that wasn’t sustainable" : actually, the US had oil, iron, copper, gold, silver, hydroelectric power, navigable rivers, uranium, the Great Lakes, and of course, wood. Also isolation from the wars in Europe.
The US had manufacturing because it had an open economic system where entrepreneurs could exploit those things, and a supply of cheap labor from native sources and immigration.
OK, show me where the profitable US mines are. We know where the profitable Canadian, Australian, Taiwanese, and even PRC mines are. If you can show me where the profitable US mines are then the US can export goods manufactured from minerals. Of course it can export goods made from wood, but anyone can do that. Can the US export semiconductors? Semiconductors are worth a lot more than wood. The US can't even make its own semiconductors, much less export them.
You mean profitable NOW? You made a historical statement about when manufacturing started in the US, so I guess we'd have to do some research on the 1890's.
Cool. And yeah I wasn’t trying to imply there can’t be anything manufactured in America ever, just that I don’t think it can be done at scale for a profit over a long period of time since there aren’t a huge amount of mineral resources in America. That’s OK because countries that have a ton of mineral resources famously can’t even feed their people much of the time. Global trade is a good thing and just trying to turn it off completely is bad because not every country has the same resources, even if there probably should be plenty of limits between countries which are enemies or rivals. However somewhere like Canada or Greenland shouldn’t be an enemy or rival at all, but Canadians are even more addicted to consumerism than Americans and Greenland is kept artificially poor so the Danes can use it as a military outpost, so America has to trade with China, which is basically always a rival or enemy, despite the fact China has completely different natural resources, is on the opposite side of the world, and really shouldn’t be competing in any way by any rational metric. People just aren’t behaving rationally.
Yes, but I think to improve it we would need to bring back agriculture. Having an agricultural economy works for New Zealand, the Netherlands, and Brazil, not just a bunch of third-world countries. The Canadian economy is absolutely terrible, my point is, if they joined the US, they would just be making the goods for us the PRC currently does because they have the resources and we don’t, but they don’t want to do that, because the whole reason the PRC does that is because they subsidize for Americans to go into debt to buy Chinese goods, Canada wouldn’t be able to do that if they were part of the US, it would basically just be the US enslaving Canada. If the US produced things with its economy rather than just taking out debt to buy products, then Greenland and maybe even Canada would just join willingly like Texas did back in the day, but as of now, there’s not really an incentive for them to do that, even if they’re both objectively badly off.
Is this intended as satire? Maybe you have a brilliant career ahead of you in that.
"the only reason there was manufacturing in America in the first place is America was importing all the raw materials, but that wasn’t sustainable" : actually, the US had oil, iron, copper, gold, silver, hydroelectric power, navigable rivers, uranium, the Great Lakes, and of course, wood. Also isolation from the wars in Europe.
The US had manufacturing because it had an open economic system where entrepreneurs could exploit those things, and a supply of cheap labor from native sources and immigration.
OK, show me where the profitable US mines are. We know where the profitable Canadian, Australian, Taiwanese, and even PRC mines are. If you can show me where the profitable US mines are then the US can export goods manufactured from minerals. Of course it can export goods made from wood, but anyone can do that. Can the US export semiconductors? Semiconductors are worth a lot more than wood. The US can't even make its own semiconductors, much less export them.
"show me where the profitable US mines are."
You mean profitable NOW? You made a historical statement about when manufacturing started in the US, so I guess we'd have to do some research on the 1890's.
But:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesabi_Range
Do you think they mined all that iron despite it being unprofitable?
Henry Ford built a vertically integrated auto plant, the River Rouge, using that Minnesota iron and other resources from North America.
https://www.thehenryford.org/visit/ford-rouge-factory-tour/history-and-timeline/fords-rouge
And then we have copper:
https://www.mining-technology.com/marketdata/five-largest-copper-mines-the-us/
and nickel:
https://thediggings.com/commodities/nickel/usa
and of course, petroleum and natural gas.
I think you need to back off before you embarrass yourself even more.
I’m sure you realize our terrible economy has potential to improve now and that it’s nowhere near as bad as the Canadian economy.
There is a movement to reestablish small farms .
Cool. And yeah I wasn’t trying to imply there can’t be anything manufactured in America ever, just that I don’t think it can be done at scale for a profit over a long period of time since there aren’t a huge amount of mineral resources in America. That’s OK because countries that have a ton of mineral resources famously can’t even feed their people much of the time. Global trade is a good thing and just trying to turn it off completely is bad because not every country has the same resources, even if there probably should be plenty of limits between countries which are enemies or rivals. However somewhere like Canada or Greenland shouldn’t be an enemy or rival at all, but Canadians are even more addicted to consumerism than Americans and Greenland is kept artificially poor so the Danes can use it as a military outpost, so America has to trade with China, which is basically always a rival or enemy, despite the fact China has completely different natural resources, is on the opposite side of the world, and really shouldn’t be competing in any way by any rational metric. People just aren’t behaving rationally.
Yes, but I think to improve it we would need to bring back agriculture. Having an agricultural economy works for New Zealand, the Netherlands, and Brazil, not just a bunch of third-world countries. The Canadian economy is absolutely terrible, my point is, if they joined the US, they would just be making the goods for us the PRC currently does because they have the resources and we don’t, but they don’t want to do that, because the whole reason the PRC does that is because they subsidize for Americans to go into debt to buy Chinese goods, Canada wouldn’t be able to do that if they were part of the US, it would basically just be the US enslaving Canada. If the US produced things with its economy rather than just taking out debt to buy products, then Greenland and maybe even Canada would just join willingly like Texas did back in the day, but as of now, there’s not really an incentive for them to do that, even if they’re both objectively badly off.